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1173 R · Лейпциг · 13.04.2020 18:03 MSK
Фото: 4450 · Локальный редактор — Александрия, Гарбке, Доха, Калькутта, Лусаил, Шпикерог
Zitat (Yury LRTA, 13.04.2020):
> I wonder what the reason for the height difference between the trailers was? And why it is always the last trailer that is riding lower.

There are various reasons for the height of the trailer. The two trailers on this picture come from different delivery series. In 1980/81 there was also an update with various small changes. But I also saw pictures where the trailers are the same height or the higher one hangs at the end.
Maybe it has something to do with the profile of the steel tires.
The cars were also very poorly made, which can also lead to different heights.
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Ymtram · Ист-Хейвен - Бранфорд · 13.04.2020 03:12 MSK
Фото: 17938 · Модератор неавторских материалов / Фотомодератор / Общий редактор / Редактор новостей / Перевод сайта (EN)
Цитата (1173 R, 12.04.2020):
> I think in this picture of the 312 you can see very well that the car has no motors in the bogie.

Actually you might be right! I didn't look there at first. So the long-standing stereotype might be incorrect.

Amazing that these trains actually operated on the Poarta SIDEX (Arcelor Mittal) line with a grade. Here is a picture of the 3-car train operating on the Line 3:
https://transphoto.org/photo/800068/

I wonder what the reason for the height difference between the trailers was? And why it is always the last trailer that is riding lower.
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1173 R · Лейпциг · 12.04.2020 23:30 MSK
Фото: 4450 · Локальный редактор — Александрия, Гарбке, Доха, Калькутта, Лусаил, Шпикерог
Zitat (Yury LRTA, 12.04.2020):
> that operated behind motors in standard 2-car consists were motorless by definition.

I think in this picture of the 312 you can see very well that the car has no motors in the bogie. I saw these trains in August 1990 and also went with them. That was a long time ago, but I didn't write down any motorization of the trailers in my notebook.
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Ymtram · Ист-Хейвен - Бранфорд · 12.04.2020 23:11 MSK
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Цитата (focus1965, 12.04.2020):
> https://transphoto.org/photo/1323571/?aid=6255

The question is whether this trailer worked as the 2nd car in the 3-car consist, and thus was possibly altered and motorized. All regular Timiș trailers that operated behind motors in standard 2-car consists were motorless by definition.
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focus1965 · Антверпен · 12.04.2020 22:37 MSK
Фото: 7636 · Общий редактор / Локальный редактор — Бельгия, Великобритания, Франция / Перевод сайта (EN/FR)
I just posted a picture of trailer 307.
The specialists can find out if motorization was possible / was present.
I suppose that the trailers were delivered without motorization, but that doesn't mean that the local workshop could come up with something. But that didn't guarantee that it would ever have worked...

https://transphoto.org/photo/1323571/?aid=6255
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Keith Kaizer · Санкт-Петербург · 12.04.2020 22:06 MSK
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Отсылочка к ЧС4
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андрюха · Каменское · 12.04.2020 19:53 MSK
Фото: 237 · Локальный редактор — Каменское
Магнитогорс на минималках))
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Александр Vl · Владивосток · 12.04.2020 19:52 MSK
Фото: 5212 · Локальный редактор — Владивосток
Эка диво-дивное. Каких только вагонов не бывает. Потрясающая коллекция конечно.
С уважением.
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Ymtram · Ист-Хейвен - Бранфорд · 12.04.2020 17:22 MSK
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Цитата (1173 R, 12.04.2020):
> I think that's a mistake. They are all motorless trailers. The trains run very slowly and have hardly climbed uphill. In Iasi it was tested for a couple of years, but has partly stopped on the slopes. The motorcars were underpowered. However, in 1988-1991, so many motorcars were not ready to drive that you had to help yourself.

Galaţi has some terrain issues, especially on the industrial park lines to the east and tho the west, including a lengthy grade on the line to Arcelor Mittal for which 3-car trains were no doubt designed for. The classic motor-trailer-trailer consist would have a power problem under regular conditions, and such consists were never used elsewhere in Romania. Provided the Galaţi's terrian and the fact that in all pictures of 3-car trains from Galaţi the 1st trailer is higher than the 2nd trailer - thus the suspicion of local alteration of the trailers is often mentioned with regard to these Galaţi trains. It is my recollection, also visible in some pictures, that some original Timiș trailers in Romanian cities had a lower ride than motors (but not all of them). Something to ask locals about...
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Иван Р · Энгельс · 12.04.2020 16:43 MSK
Фото: 298 · Локальный редактор — Энгельс
"Баркас" - маршрутка?
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Pavlov101 · Галац · 12.04.2020 13:51 MSK
Фото: 55 · Локальный редактор — Галац
That is true. In the 90's there was a very unfair competition from the private owners. The competition is over since 9th of May 2016 when the transport licence of all the private operators expired.
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1173 R · Лейпциг · 12.04.2020 13:25 MSK
Фото: 4450 · Локальный редактор — Александрия, Гарбке, Доха, Калькутта, Лусаил, Шпикерог
@ Alex: A great series from Galaţi, thanks for that!
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Pavlov101 · Галац · 12.04.2020 13:23 MSK
Фото: 55 · Локальный редактор — Галац
Also, there is an old DAC 112 bus. It had the fleet number FRX. This one had a very interesting story.
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1173 R · Лейпциг · 12.04.2020 13:22 MSK
Фото: 4450 · Локальный редактор — Александрия, Гарбке, Доха, Калькутта, Лусаил, Шпикерог
Zitat (Yury LRTA, 12.04.2020):
> Added 312 to the data base.
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> Wow, a 3-car train. 312 has a higher base, while 351 has a lower base. Most likely 312 is a motorized trailer. So the tram consist must be a motor сar, a motorized trailer, and a motorless trailer.

I think that's a mistake. They are all motorless trailers. The trains run very slowly and have hardly climbed uphill. In Iasi it was tested for a couple of years, but has partly stopped on the slopes. The motorcars were underpowered. However, in 1988-1991, so many motorcars were not ready to drive that you had to help yourself.
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Ymtram · Ист-Хейвен - Бранфорд · 12.04.2020 02:07 MSK
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This bridge offers the best tramway views in the city.
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Ymtram · Ист-Хейвен - Бранфорд · 12.04.2020 01:53 MSK
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Excellent photo )
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Ymtram · Ист-Хейвен - Бранфорд · 12.04.2020 01:47 MSK
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Based on the height of the car bases, it is possible this consist could be a motor car, a motorized trailer, and a motorless trailer.
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Ymtram · Ист-Хейвен - Бранфорд · 12.04.2020 01:42 MSK
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Added 312 to the data base.

Wow, a 3-car train. 312 has a higher base, while 351 has a lower base. Most likely 312 is a motorized trailer. So the tram consist must be a motor сar, a motorized trailer, and a motorless trailer.
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Геннадий Иванов · Москва · 11.04.2020 23:22 MSK
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А на заднем плане похоже автобус ЛАЗ.
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focus1965 · Антверпен · 11.04.2020 18:31 MSK
Фото: 7636 · Общий редактор / Локальный редактор — Бельгия, Великобритания, Франция / Перевод сайта (EN/FR)
Unfortunately, the opposite is the case for the route number.
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